i was gonna post this in that DiS thread, but it has gone and now I am left with a question that is bothering me...

what is this new-rave thing? it get's mentioned in the dis article and I have read lots of other articles mentioning or about it.

I don't understand, none of the bands that are supposedly spearheading this new 'movement' have any of the values or ethos that goes with the rave territory. is this all a big joke? or is it just trendy to pretend to like rave nowadays.

from what I can work out it is just the latter. in fact it pretty obviously is, it's just standard money shifting procedure... a movement happens at a unique moment in time where art and technology cross. people start innovating within the shere of the movement. a scene develops. people start listening. happiness ensues. corperations jump on the bandwagon and exploit the scene for profit. original listeners and innovaters leave, they are sick of what has become of the scene. it is left to wilt and die, it ihas become a commercial, a joke.

corperations wait about 15 years, then pluck all the marketable elements from the scenes corpse and repackage it, using their stranglehold on the media to spread the message that 'such and such is back'. people buy it. money is made.

so... new rave eh. what a bloody joke.

its alright, quite cool going to klaxons gig etc with all the glowsticks and that going on, i enjoyed it anyways.

I feel that, on the most part, the bands involved in 'new rave' tend to be of an age whereby things such as raves etc were in the news and media in their youth, and in turn its something thats stuck with them and worked its way into their music. I mean the NME new rave tour pretty much had only one band (shitdisco) who i would say look back to that early 90's rave scene, datarock certainly dont, and the Klaxons as much as they go on about MDMA's and all that are really a guitar band with a dance edge, i havent been dancing in the middle of a field with a glowstick, but i can say that this 'new rave' thing is something ive experienced and thoroughly enjoyed.

[Edited on 30-10-2006 by clarkogir]

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Originally posted by clarkogir its alright, quite cool going to klaxons gig etc with all the glowsticks and that going on, i enjoyed it anyways. I feel that, on the most part, the bands involved in 'new rave' tend to be of an age whereby things such as raves etc were in the news and media in their youth, and in turn its something thats stuck with them and worked its way into their music. I mean the NME new rave tour pretty much had only one band (shitdisco) who i would say look back to that early 90's rave scene, datarock certainly dont, and the Klaxons as much as they go on about MDMA's and all that are really a guitar band with a dance edge, i havent been dancing in the middle of a field with a glowstick, but i can say that this 'new rave' thing is something ive experienced and thoroughly enjoyed. [Edited on 30-10-2006 by clarkogir]

maybe it's just the nme trying to make something out of nothing. and of course they need to cover their bases in case it turns into something bigger, so they can say 'we told you so', and if it dies on it's arse they can be the first to kick it when it's down.

and as much as the idea of glowsticks at an indie gig is laughable, there is no harm in it. and if people are having fun, then people are having fun which is all that matters really.

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Originally posted by slow riot i was gonna post this in that DiS thread, but it has gone and now I am left with a question that is bothering me... what is this new-rave thing? it get's mentioned in the dis article and I have read lots of other articles mentioning or about it. I don't understand, none of the bands that are supposedly spearheading this new 'movement' have any of the values or ethos that goes with the rave territory. is this all a big joke? or is it just trendy to pretend to like rave nowadays. from what I can work out it is just the latter. in fact it pretty obviously is, it's just standard money shifting procedure... a movement happens at a unique moment in time where art and technology cross. people start innovating within the shere of the movement. a scene develops. people start listening. happiness ensues. corperations jump on the bandwagon and exploit the scene for profit. original listeners and innovaters leave, they are sick of what has become of the scene. it is left to wilt and die, it ihas become a commercial, a joke. corperations wait about 15 years, then pluck all the marketable elements from the scenes corpse and repackage it, using their stranglehold on the media to spread the message that 'such and such is back'. people buy it. money is made. so... new rave eh. what a bloody joke.

At least hopefully they've got their filthy mitts off garage rock now.

Guide to how New Rave started

1. A little band called Klaxons made some songs. Those songs sounded a little bit dancy.

2. People went 'ooh'.

3. The NME went 'ooh' and invented a scene. It was called New Rave. It was good. Teenagers bought glow sticks and ecstasy was cool again.

4. The NME labelled other bands 'New Rave'. They weren't.

The End!

I quite like the music, but it isn't really Rave at all.

it's all about fashion. it'll always be trendy to drop references to niche scenes of old (underground = kudos, remember). nobody targeted by the latest nme fad is old enough to remember the rave explosion the first time round, let alone the second (granted, they came in fairly quick succession!).

this means that, now devoid of any of the original cultural attributes, new values have been created in their image, albeit in a very quaint don't-worry-mum-we'll-be-home-before-midnight kind of way, resulting in a frightful pastiche of the original scene.

any brand, whether it be new-rave, hip-hop, uk garage or whatever is driven by the people who see a quick buck in it these days, and to think anything otherwise is ignorant to the point of idiocy.

just another invented genre. convenient tags sell records. still, we all love a good excuse to get on it!

Klaxons came up with the term 'new rave'. Apparently they wanted to create a scene that would be even more short-lived than electroclash, and they fed the NME the standard bullshit it would take for them to market the term. Quite clever really.

What happened to that DiS thread?

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Originally posted by Matt Paradise Klaxons came up with the term 'new rave'. Apparently they wanted to create a scene that would be even more short-lived than electroclash, and they fed the NME the standard bullshit it would take for them to market the term. Quite clever really.

Good for them! But surely speed garage was even shorter-lived than electroclash. I remember it going on for about 3 months.

When will the NME coin a genre that doesn't start with 'new'?

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Originally posted by Simon Dyson When will the NME coin a genre that doesn't start with 'new'?

last time they tried that was surely 'sports metal'. melody maker went with 'nu-metal'. we all know who won that one.

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Originally posted by i am sam Quote: Originally posted by Simon Dyson When will the NME coin a genre that doesn't start with 'new'? last time they tried that was surely 'sports metal'. melody maker went with 'nu-metal'. we all know who won that one.

Well that would be the NME... Melody Maker shut up shop about 6 month after that I think

sports rave. now that's a genre surely waiting to happen...

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Originally posted by jazzy sports rave. now that's a genre surely waiting to happen...

It's only a matter of time before thats said about Datarock, cos they, like, wear tracksuits and stuff. You should save this thread for when the NME invents sports rave and sue the muthas! Or not.

theyve been labelling the knife as 'the dark side of new rave'. the nme that is. but then the article totally contradict itself cos they then went on about they hated the way in which jose gonzales' heartbeats was used for the sony advert.

new rave never existed..it was a pretending.. it was a boom box..it wasn't relevant. it was. it's not anymore. NEW RAVE R.I.P. thanks god/

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Originally posted by if_only_ralph_were_real Guide to how New Rave started 1. A little band called Klaxons made some songs. Those songs sounded a little bit dancy. 2. People went 'ooh'. 3. The NME went 'ooh' and invented a scene. It was called New Rave. It was good. Teenagers bought glow sticks and ecstasy was cool again. 4. The NME labelled other bands 'New Rave'. They weren't. The End! I quite like the music, but it isn't really Rave at all.

exactly right! it's all nme, they coined th silly term new rave, and it is silly.

The knife are RUBBISH

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Originally posted by Matt Paradise The knife are RUBBISH

Wash your mouth out!!!